sharkprivilege asked: could you talk more about the male disney villains being queer coded with stereotypes?
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Many male Disney villains are what we would call “camp.” Effeminate, vain, “wimpy” and portrayed as laughable and unlikable. Calling upon common negative stereotypes about gay men, these villains are characterized as villainous by embodying these tropes and traits.
Think about it: Often Thin/un-muscled figure, heavily inked and shadowed eyes (giving the impression of eyeliner and eye shadow?), stereotypically “sassy” and/or manipulative, often ends up being cowardly once on the defensive, many have comedic male sidekicks (such as Wiggins, Smee, Iago, the…snake that isn’t Kaa)
since i was talking about one of the disney man villains who doesn’t fit this stereotype yesterday…
my bf was listening to that song about him yesterday
and i mentioned that he is literally the most terrifying disney villain
because his type of evil is banal and commonplace
there are white men walking around who are exactly like him
men who think that women are prizes they deserve
men who will not listen or pay attention to a rejection
men who will go out of their way, if rejected, to ruin a woman’s life
ppl often seem to miss this when discussion beauty and the beast since the stockholm syndrom ‘romance’ is also a giant icky thing
the terrifying thing about gaston is that he is supposed to be (as all disney villains) a hyperbolic cartoon
but he is the absolutely truest and most real villain
because he exists in the real world
we all know men like him
Also, if we’re talking about queer coded characters the MOST important of all the characters is Ursula who was bad off of a drag Queen (Divine) and has a whole host of negative stereotypes.
She’s also my favorite.
This post is sorely missing some seriously important historical context. The term for this as film history goes is the sissy, and as a stock character the sissy is probably one of the oldest archetypes in Hollywood, going back to the silent film era. Some of the most enduring stereotypes of male queerness—the limp wrist, swishing, etc—can actually be traced to the exaggerated movements of cinematic sissies in silent films. And it’s important to note sissies were portrayed in a range of ways, though they were generally used to comedic effect; queerness was considered a joke, and the modern notion of the “sassy gay friend” in films can probably be traced back to this bullshit too. It wasn’t until the Hays Code was adopted in the ’30s that sissies almost uniformly started being portrayed as villains. Homosexuality was specifically targeted under the euphemism of “sexual perversion”, and the only way it could fly under the radar in films under the strict censorship of the code was by coding villains that way in contrast to the morally upright hetero heroes. Peter Lorre’s character in The Maltese Falcon is one off the top of my head, but there are a slew of them from the ’30s onward, and this trope didn’t go away after the Code ended either. More modern examples in live action films are Prince Edward in Braveheart, Buffalo Bill in Silence of the Lambs, and Xerxes in 300.
So Disney just provides some of the most egregious modern examples of the sissy villain, but this is a really old and really gross trope that goes back years and years in Western film. There’s a fantastic book and accompanying documentary about the history of homosexuality in film by Vito Russo called The Celluloid Closet that gets into a lot of this.
It’s incredibly refreshing to see a response to a post like this that starts with “This post is sorely missing some seriously important historical context.” and then goes on to provide important historical context that adds information to the point being made. I was seriously wincing and bracing myself for “You guys, you don’t understand. It was different back then.”
(Of course, I wouldn’t have been worried if the name of the last poster hadn’t scrolled off the top of my screen by the time I got to it.)
The only thing I have to add is that the snake who isn’t Kaa is called Sir Hiss.
Tumblr, I’m impressed, all of this immense post and not one mention of how “wrong” and “bad” stereotyping the bad guys as gay is.
That’s……what the entire post is about?
How Disney uses negative stereotypes about gay men to villains their antagonists?
If every straight person honestly answered this question, we’d wipe out homophobia tomorrow.lgbtq homophobes homophobia my upworthy posts
In case you missed it, William Shatner visited Reddit recently and was NOT pleased by what he found.
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As a lesbian couple exited The Stingray Café, restaurant owner Ed McGovern handed them a hastily scrawled and poorly spelled letter condemning their love for each other because apparently their committed relationship is ruining lives.
He says he gave them the letter “out of love,” but anyone who has the nerve to say something like this to other human beings is just a jackass in my book.lgbtq people are idiots homophobia my upworthy posts queue
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“But I see two kids [males], they were obviously together, they were dating…. And I looked at them, and I went—I never thought this, and I’m not boo-hooing me—I went, I never got to fuckin’ do that [as a kid], because some fuck decided that what I was was wrong. And they were wrong. And they were wrong, there’s no doubt about it they were wrong…. And I do picture in my head why I didn’t get to do that…I picture a homophobic person that’s wrong, and maybe religious—maybe—going ‘Nyah!’ And you’re wrong. Time will tell you’re wrong. I always say, if you are homophobic and you’re out there, you better be positive you’re right. Because isn’t it gonna blow if all these kids are killing themselves and later, how convenient, in 20 years you get to write a book, and god bless you if you do it, to say how wrong you were. They’re dead. So why don’t you have a soul-searching moment now? Go into your house. Shut the door. And be fucking positive you’re making kids feel like crap for no good goddamned reason, because you can apologize in 20 years if you’re a politician.”
-Todd Glass on WTF with Marc Maron.
Trembled when I first heard this. Trembled when I played it back several times. Trembling as I transcribe it.
The important thing underscoring this entire segment and most of Glass’s angle is that it’s not just rampant homophobia he’s talking about—that’s an obvious part of what needs to be dismantled. It’s things like calling something “gay” and calling someone a “fag” (and saying something’s “retarded,” and a litany of other simple-to-avoid harmful adjectivisms of human beings) off the cuff, and when that’s an unquestioned part of your life, whether you’re overtly homophobic or apathetic, young people will hear it and feel horrible, and worse.
Incredibly illuminating and important discussion of a fundamental human issue. Please go listen. Please consider.
I’m so glad someone transcribed this part of the podcast. The whole thing was great, but this…this was an emotional punch. If you haven’t listened to the interview yet, take some time and do so. Even if you’ve heard a million coming-out stories, Todd says some stuff in here that is really important for everyone to hear, and it’s definitely worth an hour and a half of your time.todd glass WTF Podcast marc maron lgbtq comedians coming out homophobia